In this conversation, I talk to Professor Ari Waldman, author of the book 'Industry Unbound: The Inside Story of Privacy, Data and Corporate Power' about how companies undermine our privacy and the challenges of data privacy and corporate power. While many claim that privacy law is getting stronger, Prof Waldman argues otherwise, showing that recent changes in privacy law are exactly the kinds of changes that corporations want and that even those who consider themselves privacy advocates often unknowingly commit corporate malfeasance.